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A communique from the Terran Commune

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A Terran Commune Announcement

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We here at the Terran Commune are a very principled group. Having a horizontal direct democracy has its downs from time to time, but we're all good friends who would go to hell and back for each other. There is somewhat of a univeral brotherhood between leftists. If we see that one of us is in a bad situation, you can bet that we'll all do the best we can to help. That's the beauty of an ideology based around human need and solidarity.

But we here at the TC got to thinking; why should we only keep this feeling of solidarity to ourselves? We're the premier leftist alliance here in Project Terra, and as such, we should act as a beacon of hope to all other leftists who need our help, right? Being the humanitarians that we are, we decided that it would be best to act on this idea. So we, the Terran Commune, introduce:

The Solidarity Doctrine

All nations declaring themselves leftist, and/or having the Socialist form of government shall come under the aegis of the Terran Commune, and shall be — at its discretion — availed of its military defense and diplomatic representation in the event they are attacked without provocation.

Caveats and Terms:

1. No nation shall be supported in wars of unprovoked aggression.

2. Leftist nations who attack other leftist nations shall not be supported.

3. Terms of peace beyond surrender and built-in reparations shall be set by the leftist nation under attack, and shall be enforced by the same. The Commune may decide to enforce its own terms in conjunction with, or separate from, that nation.

4. Treaties and agreements with other alliances may at times take precedence over this Doctrine.

5. This Doctrine shall not be extended to so-called "National Socialists," aka Nazis, nor any similarly construed nations.

So let it be known that all leftist nations withing the confines of this world will always have the support of the Terran Commune.

Let the solidatiry begin!

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So if I get attacked I just claim I'm a leftist then you protect me? Sounds good.

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So if I get attacked I just claim I'm a leftist then you protect me? Sounds good.

We're not that shallow or stupid. This Doctrine effectively extends diplomatic, financial and defensive support to all leftist alliances that co-exist with the Terran Commune and will disincentivize laying waste to leftist oriented micro-alliances.

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So you claim sovereignty and power over any nation or alliance who hold to leftist ideals? Hmmm....might want to think that one through again mate.

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This is very commendable. Good name, good terms, good intentions...I like it.

tl;dr a Moldavi Doctrine for socialists and commies.

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So you claim sovereignty and power over any nation or alliance who hold to leftist ideals? Hmmm....might want to think that one through again mate.

Where in our doctrine do we assert sovereignty and power over leftist alliances? If making our intent to assist any leftist brethren --should they find themselves in less-than-favorable circumstances-- known is an imposition on their sovereignty, I can only wonder what your view is on any alliance that steps up to the plate for those it identifies with.

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I'm interested in knowing this Doctrines application to leftist nations in alliances that may not be leftist.

That said, I'm excited to see how this pans out in the future.

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First, I was going to act all angry and political, and such, because I just love making people hate me, but then I remembered you guys wouldn't have the balls to attack us even if we were attacking your best little leftist friend in the whole wide world, so then I just let it go.

How cute. ;)

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So......the obvious problem here is how do you define a leftist alliance? Using the text of this document nearly any allliance/nation could claim to be leftist and under your protection.

Of course by the same token, the document quite cleverly leaves it entirely up to the Terran Commune what is or isn't a leftist alliance, and what "leftist" alliances are and aren't worthy of support, thus enabling you to easily dodge any sort of real conflict or smackdown that could occur due to it. Little leftist micro being attacked, "Hey we're being attacked, we're getting crushed, help us." TC looks at the fight, doesn't have the stones for it, "You know, we don't recognize you as being leftist". Fight avoided, doctrine intact.

Basically the doctrine boils down to, "We'll fight for "leftist" alliances except when we won't."

But hey, you made some noise, raised your profile and got people talking about you, all by a statement that doesn't obligate you to take any risk at all.

Well played really.

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First, I was going to act all angry and political, and such, because I just love making people hate me, but then I remembered you guys wouldn't have the balls to attack us even if we were attacking your best little leftist friend in the whole wide world, so then I just let it go.

How cute. ;)

Sorta true but Guardian are bunch wussies so I don't think you guys would attack any alliance they care about defending.

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First, I was going to act all angry and political, and such, because I just love making people hate me, but then I remembered you guys wouldn't have the balls to attack us even if we were attacking your best little leftist friend in the whole wide world, so then I just let it go.

How cute. ;)

Sorta true but Guardian are bunch wussies so I don't think you guys would attack any alliance they care about defending.

lol, nonsense.

In fact if Admin would make it so that hanging around in peace mode forever had some kind of penalty, we would probably see more action. :psyduck:

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First, I was going to act all angry and political, and such, because I just love making people hate me, but then I remembered you guys wouldn't have the balls to attack us even if we were attacking your best little leftist friend in the whole wide world, so then I just let it go.

How cute. ;)

Sorta true but Guardian are bunch wussies so I don't think you guys would attack any alliance they care about defending.

lol, nonsense.

In fact if Admin would make it so that hanging around in peace mode forever had some kind of penalty, we would probably see more action. :psyduck:

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I honestly don't see how, nobody is politically active so theres no real reason to have any wars.

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First, I was going to act all angry and political, and such, because I just love making people hate me, but then I remembered you guys wouldn't have the balls to attack us even if we were attacking your best little leftist friend in the whole wide world, so then I just let it go.

How cute. ;)

Sorta true but Guardian are bunch wussies so I don't think you guys would attack any alliance they care about defending.

lol, nonsense.

In fact if Admin would make it so that hanging around in peace mode forever had some kind of penalty, we would probably see more action. :psyduck:

orly.jpg

I honestly don't see how, nobody is politically active so theres no real reason to have any wars.

Well, I am one blood-thirsty mother ********, and if I happen to get lucky one day and convince the other two Trium. we should roll somebody, we might see a little action.

Anyway, that's irrelevant till people start coming out of peace mode.

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First, I was going to act all angry and political, and such, because I just love making people hate me, but then I remembered you guys wouldn't have the balls to attack us even if we were attacking your best little leftist friend in the whole wide world, so then I just let it go.

How cute. ;)

Sorta true but Guardian are bunch wussies so I don't think you guys would attack any alliance they care about defending.

lol, nonsense.

In fact if Admin would make it so that hanging around in peace mode forever had some kind of penalty, we would probably see more action. :psyduck:

orly.jpg

I honestly don't see how, nobody is politically active so theres no real reason to have any wars.

Well, I am one blood-thirsty mother ********, and if I happen to get lucky one day and convince the other two Trium. we should roll somebody, we might see a little action.

Anyway, that's irrelevant till people start coming out of peace mode.

I hope you roll GOONS cause that worked great last time :smug:

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Interesting doctrine. How does this apply to alliances of a neutral or opposing standard with leftist members?

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So......the obvious problem here is how do you define a leftist alliance? Using the text of this document nearly any allliance/nation could claim to be leftist and under your protection.

Of course by the same token, the document quite cleverly leaves it entirely up to the Terran Commune what is or isn't a leftist alliance, and what "leftist" alliances are and aren't worthy of support, thus enabling you to easily dodge any sort of real conflict or smackdown that could occur due to it. Little leftist micro being attacked, "Hey we're being attacked, we're getting crushed, help us." TC looks at the fight, doesn't have the stones for it, "You know, we don't recognize you as being leftist". Fight avoided, doctrine intact.

Basically the doctrine boils down to, "We'll fight for "leftist" alliances except when we won't."

But hey, you made some noise, raised your profile and got people talking about you, all by a statement that doesn't obligate you to take any risk at all.

Well played really.

The reading comprehension is strong with this one!

All nations declaring themselves leftist, and/or having the Socialist form of government shall come under the aegis of the Terran Commune, and shall be — at its discretion — availed of its military defense and diplomatic representation in the event they are attacked without provocation.

No where in this text do you see "nations declared leftists by the TerranCommune."

First, I was going to act all angry and political, and such, because I just love making people hate me, but then I remembered you guys wouldn't have the balls to attack us even if we were attacking your best little leftist friend in the whole wide world, so then I just let it go.

How cute.

If you really wanted to test us, you would be attacking am unalliged leftist nation/leftist micro right now, not shooting your mouth off like a repugnant little git.

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First, I was going to act all angry and political, and such, because I just love making people hate me, but then I remembered you guys wouldn't have the balls to attack us even if we were attacking your best little leftist friend in the whole wide world, so then I just let it go.

How cute.

If you really wanted to test us, you would be attacking am unalliged leftist nation/leftist micro right now, not shooting your mouth off like a repugnant little git.

You can't just go around the PT forums getting trolled, Kropotkin! :detective:

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o/ Leftism on Terra

@The Confused: this is us basically protecting unaligned leftists and small leftist micros from being raided out of the game for no good reason. No, we're not going to go to war in defense of X alliance because one member happens to be a leftist, nor will we waste our time with trolls looking to screw with us. We are simply protecting nations in our sphere of interest, and giving the world fair warning ahead of time that we wish to do this. If y'all wish to test this doctrine, feel free to come at us, bro(s). :smug:

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No where in this text do you see "nations declared leftists by the TerranCommune."

Except that you have to decide what meets your criteria for leftist, or just accept any nation that says it is. Which is, de facto, you deciding (declaring) who is and isn't leftist. Add to that, CouchSerf told NMA that you wouldn't willy nilly defend anyone who claims to be leftist. Ergo, the Terran Commune will be making the decision about which alliances are leftist enough to protest.

Logic is your friend. You should try using it.

Ignoring all of that, there's a line that says

All nations declaring themselves leftist, and/or having the Socialist form of government shall come under the aegis of the Terran Commune, and shall be — at its discretion — availed of its military defense

I bolded the important point for you.

Again, all your doctrine says is "We'll defend you except when we won't."

In other words, an easy way for you to weasel out of your grand proclamation of defense.

The default starting position of relations between all nations in the world is "we'll fight for you if we want and we won't if we don't. This doctrine is no different than that, and thus a giant "look at me" topic.

First, I was going to act all angry and political, and such, because I just love making people hate me, but then I remembered you guys wouldn't have the balls to attack us even if we were attacking your best little leftist friend in the whole wide world, so then I just let it go.

How cute.

If you really wanted to test us, you would be attacking am unalliged leftist nation/leftist micro right now, not shooting your mouth off like a repugnant little git.

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