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Will Russia Invade (Mainland) Ukraine

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Ukraine and Russia brothers? Ok then why was there a civil uprising to throw out the pro-Russian leader, also Ukraine use to be apart of Russia -Insert Soviet Union here-. 

 

-Insert Russian Brawl Screenshot here

 

In my eyes, Ukrainians and Russians are the same people, However Being under a socialist system for 80 years and the mass human right violations and the massive failed programs resulting poor economical performance and famine, they are absolutely terrified of moving back into their bothers house and repeat history. 

These Mass brawl are not unknown to most of the developing world, And mass brawls are rare (however not unheard of) in the developed states. 

These Brawls/fighting are more rarer in a nation like China than in the US, however that doesn't mean that China is in any way more professional than the US, just like just because Russia might have a few more brawls doesn't been they are anything less professional on the battlefield.  

U.S. soldiers are facing tighter restrictions, including a ban on drinking, after several weekend incidents of misconduct (Brawls), officials said Monday.

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@Ahov no video or picture evidence just a few words on a pixelated screen; it could be a lie aka Libel. I want a picture or video of drunk US soldiers that are active or not in training fighting each other.

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@Ahov no video or picture evidence just a few words on a pixelated screen; it could be a lie aka Libel. I want a picture or video of drunk US soldiers that are active or not in training fighting each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idkKp-1H7I8 

 

Real marine fight - marines drunk (part 3 of 4) on barracks [/size]

Want more? because there is ALOT more.. 

As i said its gotten so bad that the U.S. soldiers are now facing tighter restrictions, including a ban on drinking, If you bothered educating yourself you would know this... America is a great country but the US army does have a problem, a problem most army's have, and as i said before these Brawls/fighting are more rarer in a nation like China than in the US, however that doesn't mean that China is in any way more professional than the US, just like just because Russia might have a few more brawls doesn't been they are anything less professional on the battlefield.  

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Well there hasnt been very much foot putting down.

Pretty sure these sanctions will harm Europe as much as it harms Russia in the long term. Assuming it ends as is, the world will eventually get over themselves.

Also, why are we so opposed to this referendum? We now are refusing to aknowledge human rights? (Oh wait! Thats not new.) The west is once again showing its outstanding hypocrisy. Apparently only NATO can invade nations for nothing and reform them.

The more I see from the US side, the more in favor of Russia I am. Not because their right, but because our double standards are a total joke.

It's not that we are opposed to the idea of a referendum in itself. It's the circumstances of the referendum that we have a problem with.

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NPR, I agree the referendum is unfair. In fact, its probably rigged to be whatever Putin decides. Simaler to his elections, running against cardboard cut outs of himself.

But at least Russia is proposing a referendum.

Aside from that, Im really no fan of Putin or his policies. Im surprised I actually favor them in this. When it first started, I was totally opposed to it.And I probably would be now if it weren't for it being so bloodless.

But with his expansion north, he could easily lose my support again.

Lets see how it plays out.

As for brawls, IDK why people get so butthurt about their soldiers blowing off seem.

In fact, I find the Russian knack for it pretty bad ass. Sure its unprofessional but were talking about people employed to kill people, not law students.

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@Ahov I said Drunk Soldiers fighting, those soldiers were sober; the Russian soldiers were drunk. Only the Marines were drunk, they're just being Marines. 

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"Hey, Im an MP so y'all better stop right now."

Zey, well in that case, Id say.the Russians were just being Russians....

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@Ahov I said Drunk Soldiers fighting, those soldiers were sober; the Russian soldiers were drunk. Only the Marines were drunk, they're just being Marines.

At this point i dont think ill be able to convince you, of anything.  

How could you tell they were drunk? nothing was indicating that they were, it just shows a mass of solders fighting, Now yes the Marines were clearly drunk, however don't being drunk didn't stop the US troops form fighting, These fights and brawls problem have nothing to do with alcohol.

Also if you don't think the average US solder gets drunk on tare or at home in the barracks then, Google it or just YouTube it, Here a link of Drunk US solders: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Drunk+us+troops+fight&page=1

Also i quoting Maj. Gen. Edward Cardon, commander stating that US troops (this includes marines) have a drinking problem, and yet you still Defy the facts, here is a Major General saying that at lest for his troops under his command there is a drinking problem and the pentagon has also flagged similar warnings.

The fact is US solders do get drunk and have brawls, they are in no way super human, the problem is much more serious in Russia and a lot less in China.

What is your problem here? Drunk or not (it would be hard argue that the US troops don't have a alcohol problem when the army itself has admitted it) Russian and US forces have fights and brawls and it doesn't seem to effect professionalism on the battlefield at all. 

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Perhaps I'm very slow on the uptake, but I feel like Putin has more than a hand in this - perhaps a whole arm or torso. Pro-Russian demonstrations are spreading throughout the rest of Ukraine whereas before they were not pro-Russian. Either the Ukrainians see something more than I do in joining Russia or Putin has something mysterious going on "persuading" the rest of the country to do so.

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Perhaps I'm very slow on the uptake, but I feel like Putin has more than a hand in this - perhaps a whole arm or torso. Pro-Russian demonstrations are spreading throughout the rest of Ukraine whereas before they were not pro-Russian. Either the Ukrainians see something more than I do in joining Russia or Putin has something mysterious going on "persuading" the rest of the country to do so.

Well Ukraine is made up of Polish's and Russian's. Now historically Russians have always been under Authoritarianism rule and have never enjoy much freedoms. As far as i can tell Russians vale their nation over their freedoms, Looking at the cold war, Russian workers in the socialist state, was payed less and worked in worst conduction's than in a capitalist west, they didn't mine because mother Russia was strong, despite having a small population to the US it was a superpower, they had respect, glory and they were proud, since the 1991 they have had nothing to be proud of, and international been removed from the spot light as a backwards nobody.. seeing Russian might against Ukriane could have enlighten their rationalistic feelings for mother Russia and the good old day of being a superpower and with the laughable responce from the west, in the eyes of Russians at lest it seems that Russia is now a rising superpower. 

Basically i believe although wanting freedom they still value national strength, unity and power over their freedoms, just like the most of Chinese who historically government have always played a large role and is seen as part of a family. 

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Winkler, you mean like how we started the civil war in Syria? Or how we bought Afghanis to overthrow the Taliban for US?

Its a possibility.

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Winkler, you mean like how we started the civil war in Syria? Or how we bought Afghanis to overthrow the Taliban for US?

Its a possibility.

 

Yes, but from Putin's standpoint.

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Its actually highly likely. I mean, I doubt Crimeans would need convincing, but it wouldn't surprise me if these other protests were fueled by Putin directly.

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No. I hope not. Things should be over when Crimea is integrated with Russia. Things will be over when the West comes back down to earth. However, they're too stuck-up, calling the Crimean referendum illegal and unconstitutional. The West forgot how they fought for their independence long ago.

Ukraine and Russia brothers? Ok then why was there a civil uprising to throw out the pro-Russian leader, also Ukraine use to be apart of Russia

Uhh... What? Is this what the Western media says now?

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Winkler, you mean like how we started the civil war in Syria? Or how we bought Afghanis to overthrow the Taliban for US?

Its a possibility.

What do you mean by "we" started the civil war in Syria?

Assad started the civil war when he ordered his troops to fire on peaceful protesters.

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Meh. Ill find one, but really. Our own government has admitted to it, but denied having been doing it at the time the war broke out.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1W6uSMART1o

Its hard to find anything that mentions it. Its absolutely ignored by western media and its old news, so its mostly buried under other stories of US financial funding of the rebels.

Bit feel free to look into it further yourself if you want.

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When people tell me "my claim is totally entirely and 100% true but the mainstream media refuses to admit it but here's a youtube video or conspiracy website that agrees with me", the first thing that comes to mind is always "maybe the mainstream media isn't covering it because it's simply MADE UP and NOT TRUE?"

If anything, the mainstream media is TOO tolerant of fabricated conspiracies and general quackery.

Just a thought. Mainstream sources would be nice.

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Did you watch the full video? Im assuming not...

Its on Wikileaks somewhere. Id look there.

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The mainstream media are about as reliable as a fish out of water.. 

 

Figuring out what’s going on in Ukraine is like following the plot of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.

Bloomberg reports Viktor Yanukovych’s ouster as “Moscow-backed,” while Al Jazeera calls Ukraine’s new government “Western-backed.” Which one is it?

What Actual Ukrainians Have to Say

For people on the street in Ukraine, economics trumps ideology. As my wife’s Ukrainian pilates instructor says, “The people just want to eat.”

Dalrymple’s preferred source is his plumber, a Ukrainian refugee. The plumber fled Ukraine a few years ago to work his wrench in Paris. He left because everyone in Ukraine was corrupt and he had to bribe people to get anything done. Dalrymple relates the tradesman’s story: “The opposition was as bad as the government, and all political demonstrations, which were frequent even then [before the current problems], were entirely bogus.”

He says that with unemployment sky high, demonstrating was one of the few ways to make money in Ukraine. “The political system’s corrupt and vastly rich oligarchs pay a small daily subvention to the otherwise unemployed who agreed to demonstrate in their favor,” explains Dalrymple.
 

“You have to bribe everyone,” she told the Opelika-Auburn News. “It’s a culture of corruption. If I took my kids to the pediatrician in Ukraine, I would have to give him a bribe. … If you are a college student, you have to bribe your professors for each exam you take.

“This is what people do not realize. It’s so corrupted from the ground up, and as you get higher and higher, the degree of corruption gets outrageous.”

She also says the people don’t care who is in charge.

 

http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/ukraine-cutting-through-the-media-spin

 

 

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