SirWinkler

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Thank goodness Mr. Campfield doesn't represent the U.S. in any of the federal Senate or House positions - he's a Tennessee state senator rather than a member of the US HoR or Senate. It's good to know we don't have politicians this stupid in our Federal government. Right, Mrs. Pelosi and Mr. Boehner?

 

You know it's bad when even Fox News even makes an article frowning on a conservative.

 

I'll just leave this here...: 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/05/stacey-campfield-tenn-state-senator-likens-obamacare-to-holocaust/

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For the record, feel free to share any other ridiculous news stories you find here.

 

 

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I can't wrap my mind around the whole "repeal Obamacare" movement. I mean, its almost like these people are focused on repealing it solely because they don't want to address any actual issues.

Sure, Obamacare isn't great, but does anyone have a better idea?..... Anyone?.....

*Crickets*

Sweet! Im so glad I live in a country with so many counter-productive conservatives. I mean, who wants to move forward when we can go assed backwards? Everyone likes ass! :V

Clearly, this idiot is just pissy about Obamacare actually working.

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The average mindset of an anti-obamacarer:

Im going to join the "repeal Obamacare" movement. Why? Well I haven't thought about it much, but mah pops told me its bad news and it sounds like a really good way to waste my time on something I don't have to think about. Besides, I hear its totally Kommunist and it was made by a black guy. Can you believe that? A minority wrote that law! ZOMG! There's no way it can work if a BLACK guy wrote it!!

Have I read the law? ******** no I haven't read the law!! Why would I do that? A black dude wrote it! Haven't you been listening to what Im saying!? Damn, you liberals just don't appreciate traditional simple minded views. I mean, why can't we go back to the days when only white, male Christians had an opinion?

What's that!?

The traffic light was invented by a black guy!?

Sonuva ********! We need to repeal this liberal BS!!! Quick! Get me Cliven Bundy!! Grab the stop signs!!! Peoples lives are at stake!!!

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I can't wrap my mind around the whole "repeal Obamacare" movement. I mean, its almost like these people are focused on repealing it solely because they don't want to address any actual issues.

Sure, Obamacare isn't great, but does anyone have a better idea?..... Anyone?.....

*Crickets*

Sweet! Im so glad I live in a country with so many counter-productive conservatives. I mean, who wants to move forward when we can go assed backwards? Everyone likes ass! :V

Clearly, this idiot is just pissy about Obamacare actually working.

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The average mindset of an anti-obamacarer:

 

 

I'm not sure this was quite the response I was looking for in the thread, but I got a laugh nonetheless. (I did at least try to be middle-ground-ish by mentioning both Pelosi and Boehner - while I'm mentioning that, Boehner has neither an "a" or an "i." Why is it pronounced "Bain-er?")

 

I meant for the thread to be kind of a place for ridiculous news, not an Obamacare debate. :)

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Meh. Just felt like giving my two cents on it.

Ill be on the lookout for ridiculous news though. :P

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The reason he pronouces his name in an odd manner is because he is embarrased about it sounding exatly like the American slang for male arousal (Boner)

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More crisis with Obamacare? Again?! Still?!

 

Your political system is really broken, even the poorest countries here in Europe have some sort of universal healthcare system, and in general they work and keep healthcare costs very limited (at least considering the alternative).

 

 

Really, just return to the British Empire, they will accept you back, and London will rule you a lot better than the sad excuse for a parliament you call "congress"  :pirate:  

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More crisis with Obamacare? Again?! Still?!

 

Your political system is really broken, even the poorest countries here in Europe have some sort of universal healthcare system, and in general they work and keep healthcare costs very limited (at least considering the alternative).

 

 

Really, just return to the British Empire, they will accept you back, and London will rule you a lot better than the sad excuse for a parliament you call "congress"  :pirate:  

 

I highlighted the fun parts of your post...

 

We have one party which attempts to please the president and pass whatever he says (Democrats are his lapdogs); this generally results in spending way more than we have available and running huge deficits which the other party is unhappy about even though they'd do the same thing. Instead of voicing their concern directly and attempting to compromise, the Republicans just rant on about one law that they don't like and refuse to pass anything the Democrats introduce as a possible bill. There's only two things that the two parties agree on - passing Veteran's benefits (it's okay to spend sh*tloads of money on them), and to disagree.

 

It's frankly embarrassing to see our politicians act like children, or in the case of the OP, complete morons. In fact, something tells me Europe is more sensitive to the Holocaust than the US is, and look at their health insurance.

 

I wouldn't mind living in Europe, really. I just feel like I've been Americanized. :\

 

I tried to be politically neutral, how'd I do? >_>

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My input on Obamacare is that while overseas universal health care is a great idea and honestly who doesn't want free health care, the problem is that overseas its been like that for decades and some almost a century. When democracies started taking a real dominant hold in western Europe it was pretty much just implemented as policy. However the US has always been so capitalist and private business oriented that this is how we governed ourselves. And in our constitution we were so afraid of giving the government the authority to tell the people what they can buy or cant buy. In my opinion Europe even the western countries have always maintained a reasonable level of socialism, not that they are socialist, but many of their policies such as universal health care are socialist. In the US we have social programs as well, Social Security, and other services given by the state, however, people were always left the choice of using government funds or private companies. It all comes down to what our history is and not being governed without the ordinary person having a say in their own affairs, and business. I wouldn't call our system of government broken because this is how our system was created. It was made to do exactly this. While we haven't had the best leaders in the last maybe 15 years, that is no ones fault but the people for voting them in to office. But to say its broken is a bit far, because no government is perfect. Plus no government can please everyone. Now I haven't been to Europe in the last 5 years but last time I was there I was in France and I remember that items like a bottled water which is like a dollar in most stores US (or at least in NY) were like 2 or 3 Euro in France. (This was a few years ago so I apologize if its inaccurate now). But the reasons I perceived it to be so expensive is because for all the social programs the state has to fund to keep its people happy. Like Universal health care. yea its free up front in the sense that when you leave the doctors office you don't have to pay, but you do pay by having a higher tax. And one of the reasons why the US fought for its independence was because of high taxes and the fact of no or unequal representation and being taxed anyway.

 

This is my take on social programs. They are good in moderation, but to make everything "universal and equal" is unfair in and of itself. If a person is Simply being disgruntled because they can't do something or made poor life choices and can't afford the finer things in life, they shouldn't just be able to get away with whining until the government hands them free things. That's not fair to the majority who made the right choices. I just don't believe in giving things away for free because a few people say "they can't". I say  stop saying "you can't" and move on. I can't run a marathon, but does that mean if I sign up to run I one that I say "well I'm slower than everyone so they can't participate unless they run slower than they really are able to, just to make me feel better about not being able to run"? That wouldn't be fair to people who really worked for the opportunity. I would just be told to not run a marathon and be productive in other ways.

 

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My input on Obamacare is that while overseas universal health care is a great idea and honestly who doesn't want free health care, the problem is that overseas its been like that for decades and some almost a century. When democracies started taking a real dominant hold in western Europe it was pretty much just implemented as policy. However the US has always been so capitalist and private business oriented that this is how we governed ourselves. And in our constitution we were so afraid of giving the government the authority to tell the people what they can buy or cant buy. In my opinion Europe even the western countries have always maintained a reasonable level of socialism, not that they are socialist, but many of their policies such as universal health care are socialist. In the US we have social programs as well, Social Security, and other services given by the state, however, people were always left the choice of using government funds or private companies. It all comes down to what our history is and not being governed without the ordinary person having a say in their own affairs, and business. I wouldn't call our system of government broken because this is how our system was created. It was made to do exactly this. While we haven't had the best leaders in the last maybe 15 years, that is no ones fault but the people for voting them in to office. But to say its broken is a bit far, because no government is perfect. Plus no government can please everyone. Now I haven't been to Europe in the last 5 years but last time I was there I was in France and I remember that items like a bottled water which is like a dollar in most stores US (or at least in NY) were like 2 or 3 Euro in France. (This was a few years ago so I apologize if its inaccurate now). But the reasons I perceived it to be so expensive is because for all the social programs the state has to fund to keep its people happy. Like Universal health care. yea its free up front in the sense that when you leave the doctors office you don't have to pay, but you do pay by having a higher tax. And one of the reasons why the US fought for its independence was because of high taxes and the fact of no or unequal representation and being taxed anyway.

 

This is my take on social programs. They are good in moderation, but to make everything "universal and equal" is unfair in and of itself. If a person is Simply being disgruntled because they can't do something or made poor life choices and can't afford the finer things in life, they shouldn't just be able to get away with whining until the government hands them free things. That's not fair to the majority who made the right choices. I just don't believe in giving things away for free because a few people say "they can't". I say  stop saying "you can't" and move on. I can't run a marathon, but does that mean if I sign up to run I one that I say "well I'm slower than everyone so they can't participate unless they run slower than they really are able to, just to make me feel better about not being able to run"? That wouldn't be fair to people who really worked for the opportunity. I would just be told to not run a marathon and be productive in other ways.

 

My two cents.   

 

 

I meant for the thread to be kind of a place for ridiculous news, not an Obamacare debate. :)

 

It seems this won't be the case though...

 

Before you ask, yes, I did actually read through your post.

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When democracies started taking a real dominant hold in western Europe it was pretty much just implemented as policy

 

 

Actually, no, there were plenty of democracies in Europe without social services before WWII, one of the main reasons for the rise of undemocratic governments during the great depression. The UK invented the NHS, and it was a liberal idea (not liberal in the american sense, liberal in the european sense) that a labour government implemented with the consent of the conservative party. In Europe most of the universal health systems were created out of a consensus of (rational) right-wing and left-wing parties.

So no, there was no "Democracy+Universal Healthcare" package in most of Europe. Our politicians simply sat down at the table,  worked out the issues and got the job done.

 

But the reasons I perceived it to be so expensive is because for all the social programs the state has to fund to keep its people happy. Like Universal health care. yea its free up front in the sense that when you leave the doctors office you don't have to pay, but you do pay by having a higher tax. And one of the reasons why the US fought for its independence was because of high taxes and the fact of no or unequal representation and being taxed anyway.

 

 

This is ridiculous. It was expensive because of other reasons, probably because you were in a touristic zone (Paris IS expensive), or in the summer, or some other reason. But for the large increase to be the result of taxation the VAT would have to be in the 300% neighborhood....the top VAT in France is 20%, it is higher than in the US, but not a lot more.

 

And the european states do not fund anything to keep anyone happy, these services exist because we (well, out grandparents and parents) wanted them and were willing to pay them with taxes....nothing was "given" to make the populations "happy", the people demanded something and their representatives delivered. In true democracies people get what they want if there's a consensus.

 

In any case, while Americans think of our governments as wasteful and inefficient, it is useful to remind people that most European countries have far less debt-to-gdp than the US federal government and many of its states WHILE providing universal healthcare, universal quality education and universal access to quality higher education.

 

 

 

but to make everything "universal and equal" is unfair in and of itself. If a person is Simply being disgruntled because they can't do something or made poor life choices and can't afford the finer things in life, they shouldn't just be able to get away with whining until the government hands them free things.

 

Neither the European or American welfare systems provide anyone with the "finer" things in life. I don't see a lot of people on welfare shopping at Dior. They DO provide basic food and shelter, because not letting someone starve to death is kind of a humane and christian thing to do.

 

 

 

I just don't believe in giving things away for free because a few people say "they can't". I say  stop saying "you can't" and move on. I can't run a marathon, but does that mean if I sign up to run I one that I say "well I'm slower than everyone so they can't participate unless they run slower than they really are able to, just to make me feel better about not being able to run"? That wouldn't be fair to people who really worked for the opportunity. I would just be told to not run a marathon and be productive in other ways.

 

Or...you know, all people could have a common training center so that everyone could have a equal start and have a chance to succeed or fail in the marathon due to their merits, and you could have a first aid tent to help those who fall down so that they can continue to run....

 

You think you are defending a meritocracy, you really are defending a "law of the jungle"ocracy, a state of barbarism where the strong prey on the weak.

 

Americans used to belief in equal opportunity as much as europeans, even right-wing politicians used to at least be in favor of a strong education system to empower the citizen and to give everyone a equal chance to succeed or fail (AKA: Meritocracy)....i have no idea what happened to the US, especially to the republican party.

I highlighted the fun parts of your post...

 

We have one party which attempts to please the president and pass whatever he says (Democrats are his lapdogs); this generally results in spending way more than we have available and running huge deficits which the other party is unhappy about even though they'd do the same thing. Instead of voicing their concern directly and attempting to compromise, the Republicans just rant on about one law that they don't like and refuse to pass anything the Democrats introduce as a possible bill. There's only two things that the two parties agree on - passing Veteran's benefits (it's okay to spend sh*tloads of money on them), and to disagree.

 

Basically a broken system. Its a shame really, the free world really needs a strong US to counter China and Russia....but with rising healthcare costs as a result of a broken political system, the US is on the fast track to financial insecurity and general weekness. Unless the US can work up its problems China will be the world's most powerful nation.....and a world led by the current Chinese regime is not a very good world to live in....

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Throwing my to cents in..

Run away from Universal Health care... its a nightmare. Australia has had Universal Health care since the late 1970s and at first it was great but as it has happen in most counties who has had Universal Health care costs soon rise faster and the number of people joining the system and has became unaffordable. Currently we are forced to borrowing just to keep up payments and its getting worst and the projection are getting really bad, its got so bad that our government is now looking at abolishing Free Universal Health care. 

Welfare is also going to get cut and pushed back greatly (if not abolished) its became 
unaffordable.

Most countries in Europe have chosen the path of borrowing rather and reforming or scraping these 'socialist' programs. Im just glad i live in a counties of responsible leaders who recognise debt as a bad thing and is willing to do tough and painful things for the good of the nation.  

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