Ahovking

Legislating the poor into prosperity?

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And another leg of unemployment is minimum wage even if a person agrees to work for less any employer who pays less then what the government thinks should be will be caged and if they resist killed thou given how mad dog the police are getting they might just skip the cage and go right to the killing part, if the government could run schools of any value the people that come out might actually be worth something so saying something like "no matter how educated" is pointless when you understand that school as it is now is there to keep you out of the work force and keep you from getting the skills needed to demand a higher wage.

I think you will need to define what a living wage is, and chattering on about who does and does not deserve is government daddy now? or maybe god?

If they can't pay this and that it would be better to throw the emplyees out on the street and toss the empolyer in a cell.

or 3rd world edition

If they can't give them more then they have we need to toss everyone out so they can resume starving.

 

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One of the big factors of cost increase is inflation the government goes on a spending and printing rampage and as a result the price of everything goes up Inflation the other white meat uh i mean tax.

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Did you forget you listed a link about an effort to ban teaching certain things did you not even look at your own link?

The term government gun is a referance to how government sets education policy i never said anything about shooting sprees.

Anytime government sets policy on the how and what of things anyone who defies that policy will end up in a cage or dead, thus take the government gun out of schools.

 

when did i post a link about banning several teaching materials? The Atlantic only says that America is struggling at maths

 

and what's the problem with the government setting an education policy? it worked relatively well if the countries that has government policies on education is any indication (hint: China)

 

my country's populace has already questioned several times about the effectiveness of the National Exams. No one is going to jail or prison as of yet.

 

The welfare system in America right now fuels poverty and if you choose to ignore me then that is your choice but threating me does not change facts.

A massively oversimplification of the 2nd video would be thus -welfare subsidizes single mother households children who grow up in single mother housholds have higher rates of crime the crime in poor areas is blamed on poverty and thus the excuse for more welfare is made-

 

dude. I would never threaten you......just no. If i say anything offensive then i'm sorry.

 

well for one thing crime is one of the effects of poverty, most criminals that i watch in documentaries doesn't have jobs and tries to make ends meet. Government subsidies helps the poor since it gives them the breathing room for them to find jobs. My country's solution is rather ingenious since the government cooperates with private companies combining government subsidies and company investment in the area. Getting the poor jobs and allows the unemployed poor breathing room.......i wonder why the US doesn't do that.....distrust of corporation perhaps??

 

CNN as unrelyable as ever, they failed to point out how much extra was spent walling off the parks and monuments, the growth they said was lost is only a guess and there guesses are wrong a lot when it comes to economy so they are shooting in the dark with blanks.

The American economy has been so mashed thrashed smashed and hashed that it is hard to get any relyable information so anyone making preditions like shown in the CNN article are blowing smoke and fearmongering in this case about the non-shutdown shutdown.

 

CNN is unreliable? i need to see proof of this since most of their reports that i have read are ok in my book.

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when did i post a link about banning several teaching materials? The Atlantic only says that America is struggling at maths

The first link of post #19

 

and what's the problem with the government setting an education policy? it worked relatively well if the countries that has government policies on education is any indication (hint: China)

Look into things like most recently common core and much earlier on no child left behind these things have had and are having damaging effects on education.

Common core ranges from incomprehensible problems and when i say incomprehensible i mean that it is hard to even guess what it is they want done leaving kids confused mad and later in life not caring about learning because of the horrid time in public school teaching kids how to hate learning, and changing history.

You say china has good education well what about information on Tiananmen square (you know where the guy gets run over with a tank) how is it viewed how many know and of thous who do know how did they find out.

 

my country's populace has already questioned several times about the effectiveness of the National Exams. No one is going to jail or prison as of yet.

Ya question all you like but the real thing is it being defied and does the government have the manpower to enforce that policy if not then it is a matter of it being to small yet to be a real danger to education, when someone has a different idea on education policy are they allowed to try it out or do they need permission from the top?

 

dude. I would never threaten you......just no. If i say anything offensive then i'm sorry.

You threatened to stop listening based on an emotional reaction to what you thought i was saying.

 

well for one thing crime is one of the effects of poverty, most criminals that i watch in documentaries doesn't have jobs and tries to make ends meet.

When a child grows up in a household without both male and female parents they are deprived opportunity to see healthy or semi healthy interactions of males and females together without 1 parent to be seen going out to work and 1 parent around to provide personal care needed for children they lose the chance to see how to interact with the world around them.

I do not know what effect gay parents would have but if i had to guess it would be the lack of male female interaction might stunt the growth of normal relationships unless said parents work to fix this lack in some way but this is only a guess on my part.

The lack of a solid and safe household most frequently provided by having 2 parents will have them growing up without know how to interact with other people in a personal or professional way some kids can over come this but the majority will fall into crime or become sedentary.

The ones not going into crime go by many names but i can only think of one at this moment over in Japan one name they go by is NEET (Not in Education Employment or Training).

It seems to be an effect of highly developed nations because that is where there is the most fracturing of the family in one form or another and the presents of welfare allows single mother households to get by without a male to provide resources for the female during her most vulnerable times.

 

Government subsidies helps the poor since it gives them the breathing room for them to find jobs. My country's solution is rather ingenious since the government cooperates with private companies combining government subsidies and company investment in the area. Getting the poor jobs and allows the unemployed poor breathing room.......i wonder why the US doesn't do that.....distrust of corporation perhaps??

Over here the economy is all but planned in the sense that America has been trying a soft hand planned economy rather then a heavy handed planned economy like was seen in the USSR.

 

CNN is unreliable? i need to see proof of this since most of their reports that i have read are ok in my book.

What is it that needs proof?

Everyone could see all the new people the government sent to set up barricades around all the monuments all that stuff costs more money then leaving it open and as we saw with this article CNN did not give a peep on that, if government ever shutdown for real it will cut services people are depended on instead of this bloated security state (that has only decreased security) in order to piss people off so they will demand that government is restored maybe even riot so the government can say "see we need to have army on the streets to keep you safe".

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The first link of post #19

Look into things like most recently common core and much earlier on no child left behind these things have had and are having damaging effects on education.

Common core ranges from incomprehensible problems and when i say incomprehensible i mean that it is hard to even guess what it is they want done leaving kids confused mad and later in life not caring about learning because of the horrid time in public school teaching kids how to hate learning, and changing history.

You say china has good education well what about information on Tiananmen square (you know where the guy gets run over with a tank) how is it viewed how many know and of thous who do know how did they find out.

 

I have a teacher who lives in China before. He says that while there is a great firewall it is not so hard to et through it. So people can access the Tinanmen square files if they put very little amounts of effort.

 

And eh, the common core is similar to the IB. It might be stressful but hot damn does it prepare you for college and later life. I have nothing against it really, and there's also the AP if the students doesn't want to take Common Core right?

 

Ya question all you like but the real thing is it being defied and does the government have the manpower to enforce that policy if not then it is a matter of it being to small yet to be a real danger to education, when someone has a different idea on education policy are they allowed to try it out or do they need permission from the top?

 

Yes of course my government has the ability to enforce the policy. If it is not enforced it will be inefficient and that policy will be worthless. I'm just saying that while my government is not exactly a saving angel i do appreciate the fact that they do not jail people for having different opinions. My country is NOT China or Russia

 

When a child grows up in a household without both male and female parents they are deprived opportunity to see healthy or semi healthy interactions of males and females together without 1 parent to be seen going out to work and 1 parent around to provide personal care needed for children they lose the chance to see how to interact with the world around them.

I do not know what effect gay parents would have but if i had to guess it would be the lack of male female interaction might stunt the growth of normal relationships unless said parents work to fix this lack in some way but this is only a guess on my part.

 

Dude.....there is this thing called the internet which 70% of all American households have. The gay parents can provide the child with sufficient guidance for the child to have a healthy and good lifestyle. And there's also this thing called School which male-female interactions happen all the time.

 

The lack of a solid and safe household most frequently provided by having 2 parents will have them growing up without know how to interact with other people in a personal or professional way some kids can over come this but the majority will fall into crime or become sedentary.

The ones not going into crime go by many names but i can only think of one at this moment over in Japan one name they go by is NEET (Not in Education Employment or Training).

It seems to be an effect of highly developed nations because that is where there is the most fracturing of the family in one form or another and the presents of welfare allows single mother households to get by without a male to provide resources for the female during her most vulnerable times.

 

The lack of a solid and safe household might probably be caused by the crappy and overly equipped police department is Ferguson is any indication. And that's a very stupid thing to say that you need two parents to know how to interact with other people. I have stated above that we have schools and the internet for the socializing since society constantly changes

 

And NEET's are a primarily Japanese problem due to their society being to mechanical and robotic and having no sense of community and Friendliness. America doesn't have that problem since most of their climate is still wild and there are still socializaiton happening everywhere (especially on the net)

 

 

Over here the economy is all but planned in the sense that America has been trying a soft hand planned economy rather then a heavy handed planned economy like was seen in the USSR.

 

First. The heavy handed planned economy of the USSR is stupid since it gives government officials a lot of leeway for corruption and bribery making the system inneficient.

 

But it doesn't mean that we need to have no government intervention in the economy. Laissez Faire is a total joke and even Ahovking has agreed with me on that

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And eh, the common core is similar to the IB. It might be stressful but hot damn does it prepare you for college and later life. I have nothing against it really, and there's also the AP if the students doesn't want to take Common Core right?

What is IB i need you to provide more information as the list of things that go with IB is a mile long.

 

https://twitter.com/NicoleAgonicole/status/402091539850993664/photo/1

What is being asked on this page no not the easy part about math but the other part and try to figure out a meaning shared by 100% not 51% not 75% not 80% or 90% not even 99% 100% if i did not already know better i would look at the terminology and not move on to the math till i knew what was being asked of me.

 

https://twitter.com/garyrubinstein/status/401905290234572800/photo/1

This one does not even have instructions so for me i would stare at the page for a time and then just ignore it because there is nothing to clearly show what to do, if i am unsure in even the slightest about something i will not act it might be a personality flaw but it is how i am.

 

https://twitter.com/ColetteMoran/status/395967716382629889/photo/1

I dare you to try and suggest this is just fine.

 

There are more examples but i figure that should be enough to make clear what i said before.

Primary effect of Common Core is a centralization of education and what you see above is little bits of the agenda of government.

 

Teaching kids how to stir up emotions now and later violence.

 

An interview with someone who explains some of the problems of learning to manipulate emotions.

 

So unless collage is about how to incite violence with your words now, you might want to check your assumptions at the door.

 

 

Yes of course my government has the ability to enforce the policy. If it is not enforced it will be inefficient and that policy will be worthless. I'm just saying that while my government is not exactly a saving angel i do appreciate the fact that they do not jail people for having different opinions. My country is NOT China or Russia

 

Good policies do not need to be forced, if a policy needs to be forced then it is a bad policy.

If you think your free you are more productive so long as your opinions are not seen as a threat to government they are happy to let you have them because you are more likely to think of yourself as free.

Also it will not be government agents that come knocking when you say something out of line but rather family or friends who are dependent on the system and do not want anyone to change it, that is how social control works in more advanced nations.

 

 

Dude.....there is this thing called the internet which 70% of all American households have. The gay parents can provide the child with sufficient guidance for the child to have a healthy and good lifestyle. And there's also this thing called School which male-female interactions happen all the time.

 

Dude like toddlers totally got internet wired into there brain.. oh wait no.

Kids do not start learning at 5.

The earlyer something is learned the more power it has in a persons life.

 

 

The lack of a solid and safe household might probably be caused by the crappy and overly equipped police department is Ferguson is any indication.

 

So you are suggesting that there is a long and regularly practiced tradition of cops going into random peoples homes and tear gassing everyone?

That is the only way your statement makes sense as this thing called poverty was around long before the that event.

 

 

And that's a very stupid thing to say that you need two parents to know how to interact with other people. I have stated above that we have schools and the internet for the socializing since society constantly changes

 

Kids are not born in school or with Wi-Fi brains kids begin learning at some point before birth with the help of the signals provided by the mothers body.

 

 

And NEET's are a primarily Japanese problem due to their society being to mechanical and robotic and having no sense of community and Friendliness. America doesn't have that problem since most of their climate is still wild and there are still socializaiton happening everywhere (especially on the net)

 

NEET is what some of them are called in Japan Alternately The herbivore man- men who have decided not to have relationships with women, sorry not a Japan only problem and NO NOT GAY MEN just making sure to get that out of the way before make another assumption.

Intelligent people do not breed well in captivity.

 

 

First. The heavy handed planned economy of the USSR is stupid since it gives government officials a lot of leeway for corruption and bribery making the system inneficient.

 

The problem with central planning is the assumption that someone else knows how your life should be run and will use violence to run it.

 

 

But it doesn't mean that we need to have no government intervention in the economy. Laissez Faire is a total joke and even Ahovking has agreed with me on that

 

Let's translate what the first half of that into plain language.

(But it doesn't mean that we need to have no violent intervention in the economy)

Government can do only one thing express violence the bigger the government the more violent the government.

 

I do not really care what Ahovking has agreed with and total joke is not an argument.

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Sorry for the late response, schoolwork has practically drained most of my free time

What is IB i need you to provide more information as the list of things that go with IB is a mile long.

 

https://twitter.com/NicoleAgonicole/status/402091539850993664/photo/1

What is being asked on this page no not the easy part about math but the other part and try to figure out a meaning shared by 100% not 51% not 75% not 80% or 90% not even 99% 100% if i did not already know better i would look at the terminology and not move on to the math till i knew what was being asked of me.

 

https://twitter.com/garyrubinstein/status/401905290234572800/photo/1

This one does not even have instructions so for me i would stare at the page for a time and then just ignore it because there is nothing to clearly show what to do, if i am unsure in even the slightest about something i will not act it might be a personality flaw but it is how i am.

 

https://twitter.com/ColetteMoran/status/395967716382629889/photo/1

I dare you to try and suggest this is just fine.

 

There are more examples but i figure that should be enough to make clear what i said before.

Primary effect of Common Core is a centralization of education and what you see above is little bits of the agenda of government.

 

Teaching kids how to stir up emotions now and later violence.

 

An interview with someone who explains some of the problems of learning to manipulate emotions.

 

So unless collage is about how to incite violence with your words now, you might want to check your assumptions at the door.

 

You can google the IB yourself. I don't need to tell you about everything yknow?

 

And while i do admit that some of these tweets are genuine, in reality 2 of those tweets are just being stupid since the third one are just teaching kids words and the first one shows you that math is indeed complex (although it's pretty stupid in my opinion that you need to add five to one and then multiply it by eight). Kids are not stupid Quew, they know how to differentiate the good and the bad.

 

As for the youtube videos. You know that these kids are going to learn these anyway right? and i'm bloody fine with kids being taught critical and open to world issues since besides the added brainpower, these kids are now aware of their world and will make better life decisions (my thoughts from the first video, will watch second)

 

 

Good policies do not need to be forced, if a policy needs to be forced then it is a bad policy.

If you think your free you are more productive so long as your opinions are not seen as a threat to government they are happy to let you have them because you are more likely to think of yourself as free.

Also it will not be government agents that come knocking when you say something out of line but rather family or friends who are dependent on the system and do not want anyone to change it, that is how social control works in more advanced nations.

 

Just like passing anti drug laws and telling the cops not to enforce them. Quew are you stupid or retarded since ANY government policy needs to be enforced due to the occasional troublemaker mucking around. And the thing about social control is that people has a tendency to broke laws period, no matter how much your parents complain or the government knocks there will be people willing to change the established order and sometimes positive things came out like Nelson Mandela's lifelong struggle against apartheid

 

Dude like toddlers totally got internet wired into there brain.. oh wait no.

Kids do not start learning at 5.

The earlier something is learned the more power it has in a persons life.

 

I'm suggesting their PARENTS to look up the internet for guidance, not the toddlers

 

So you are suggesting that there is a long and regularly practiced tradition of cops going into random peoples homes and tear gassing everyone?

That is the only way your statement makes sense as this thing called poverty was around long before the that event.

 

No, i'm suggesting that the police need to pick up their asses and start working with the community, Ferguson is a bad case of racial hatred between blacks and whites in the United States (sorry if i'm racist BTW) and the American public (especially southerners) need to stop hating on minority races. Oh and the police has regularly done much worse to their own populace if you study history, they used to shoot them lead bullets and beat them with clubs so i would say that the teargas is an improvement (in a way) since it only makes you cry

 

Kids are not born in school or with Wi-Fi brains kids begin learning at some point before birth with the help of the signals provided by the mothers body.

 

where are these mysterious signals you are referring to? are you saying that babies and their mothers are telepathically connected? if yes then {CITATION NEEDED}

 

NEET is what some of them are called in Japan Alternately The herbivore man- men who have decided not to have relationships with women, sorry not a Japan only problem and NO NOT GAY MEN just making sure to get that out of the way before make another assumption.

Intelligent people do not breed well in captivity.

 

Big government is captivity?? if you say that then Northern and Western Europe must be one hell of a place to live in.

 

http://blog.misskl.com/files/2012/11/innerspace_us_webset_8.jpeg

 

http://www.laweekly.com/imager/its-time-for-a-rave-promoters-showdown/b/original/4251740/dd14/q_dance_defqon.JPG

 

surely these people are wailing in agony as european house music are beating from the machine's infernal speakers. 

 

The problem with central planning is the assumption that someone else knows how your life should be run and will use violence to run it.

 

and that is stupid. I agree with you on that

 

Let's translate what the first half of that into plain language.

(But it doesn't mean that we need to have no violent intervention in the economy)

Government can do only one thing express violence the bigger the government the more violent the government.

 

I do not really care what Ahovking has agreed with and total joke is not an argument.

 

Then surely the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, and Finland must be outright police states right?

 

and what Ahovking and i Agreed is that the Laissez Faire economic model doesn't work and that we need government intervention in the economy since the real world is different than some economic theory

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You can google the IB yourself. I don't need to tell you about everything yknow?

I was asking you what IB was because i did do a search on it and lots of things are IB.

 

the third one are just teaching kids words

The 3rd one is not teaching kids words it is indoctrinating them in statism, statism being of course that the state is not bound by the rules it puts forth to others and the idea that it is ok to kill or cage anyone who is not part of the state but tries to lives by the same standards as thous within the state.

 

first one shows you that math is indeed complex (although it's pretty stupid in my opinion that you need to add five to one and then multiply it by eight). Kids are not stupid Quew, they know how to differentiate the good and the bad

That has nothing to do with what i said.

 

As for the youtube videos. You know that these kids are going to learn these anyway right? and i'm bloody fine with kids being taught critical and open to world issues since besides the added brainpower, these kids are now aware of their world and will make better life decisions

They are not being taught issues they are being taught how to make people mad so that there will be violence.

It would be better to teach kids how to come to win-win agreements not encouraging violence that government then uses to justify stolen power.

 

Just like passing anti drug laws and telling the cops not to enforce them.

Lets see the drug war just like prohibition has stirred up more violence and crime and has contributed to the USA having the largest prison population in the world.

 

Quew are you stupid or retarded since ANY government policy needs to be enforced due to the occasional troublemaker mucking around.

You flinging insults relates to some of what i was talking about above you have not been taught issues you have been taught to try and make others angry because you lack solid ground to base your arguments in.

I am not saying you have Common core in your nation but government control of school results in very similar education patterns.

 

And the thing about social control is that people has a tendency to broke laws period,

Do you have any idea how many laws there are in the united states?

No one knows how many laws there are in fact there are so many that every day the average person breaks no less then 3 of them per day just going about there business with out even knowing it.

If people agree with a law they will not only not break that law but will uphold it themselves and encourage others in there life to do the same, so this idea that laws need to be top down is something out of the middle ages.

 

no matter how much your parents complain or the government knocks there will be people willing to change the established order and sometimes positive things came out like Nelson Mandela's lifelong struggle against apartheid

I am talking about the way social control works in the advanced nations and you fling this at me?

Social control is not about controlling the government it is about controlling people, there is a large voter block that consist of single mothers they of course vote for the political person who promises them more welfare if you were to suggest to them that continuing to increase the various forms of welfare will not be good for the nation they will attack you and if you are not shielded by a wall called the internet or have enough friends of your own this attack will be not be just words but likely they will punch kick scratch and if there is enough of them and the mania is pitched enough you might get killed and all this without any government orders, thous dedicated to government unions are similar and there are plenty of others groups that are attached to government that are the same way they have all built there lives around government so they will fight tooth and nail to hold on to it this also turns into things like "don't talk about politics"

but there is no government agent telling anyone no government order just your friends and family cutting you out of there life if you do talk about such things how many people do you know can live long alone?

Can you build a good life alone?

This is why advanced nations are because they learned earlier that top down violence harms overall prosperity.

 

I'm suggesting their PARENTS to look up the internet for guidance, not the toddlers

Then you should say that instead of pairing it with the comment about male female relationships in school.

 

No, i'm suggesting that the police need to pick up their asses and start working with the community, Ferguson is a bad case of racial hatred between blacks and whites in the United States

The history of police and riots is one where police stand back for the looting/burning then step forward to beat up the peaceful protesters, this of course encourages the violence that the government needs to have in order to exist.

 

(sorry if i'm racist BTW) and the American public (especially southerners) need to stop hating on minority races.

Maybe you need to look up racism in a dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/) rather then being sorry about something that you are not sure you have done, that or turn down your political correctness filter while talking to me, southerner is not a race and the amount of racism in the south contrary to what the endless fear mongers and race baiters(People who use race to start fights and make problems) there is not much racism left no instead most of the racism comes out of the government.

They the president is black but no he is Mulatto, in the Travon martin thing they kept on saying he was a white guy when in fact he was Hispanic the point of this all was to gin up the tension and see if a race war could be started as that would be like sugar is to cancer.

 

Oh and the police has regularly done much worse to their own populace if you study history, they used to shoot them lead bullets and beat them with clubs so i would say that the teargas is an improvement (in a way) since it only makes you cry

And this shows that police violence is not the reason for broken homes but rather broken homes makes violence more acceptable from of interaction as you show the weapons have gotten softer  while poverty has grown, of course the violence feeds in but the question you must think on is in this cycle what is the first violence no not historical as we are not Methuselah the first violence for each person, no 100+ year feuds as anyone 100+ years will likely die soon and there adding to the pot will be not much more.

 

where are these mysterious signals you are referring to? are you saying that babies and their mothers are telepathically connected? if yes then {CITATION NEEDED}

Biology

The bodies has a number of ways of sending signals among them are hormones when a pregnant women is stressed it is a much different set of signals then when she is calm and this set of signals prepares the mind of the child for the world it is entering into if mama is frequently stressed then the child will come out set more for a hostile environment that means being ready to handle and dish out more violence then a child who's mama was not stressed or had very little.

 

Big government is captivity??

Firstly the largest government in the world at present is the United States government, now i will explain what measure is being used for this.

The two prime measures are the amount of money that is spent on government and the other is the amount of force expressed by that government.

The bigger the economy the larger the a pool of resources the government has to draw from as everything government does starts with violence this means that the nation with the most wealth will have the largest government before the violence of that government implodes the nation, because violence impedes economic growth and the spread of prosperity as a whole.

 

surely these people are wailing in agony as european house music are beating from the machine's infernal speakers.

These pictures have nothing to do with government unless they have all been threatened to dance or they will be gassed or shot sorta like when the former leader of north Korea died people were forced to cry and if they stopped they would be hauled away and shot in thous pictures i see no tanks no helicopters and no troops so thous pictures have nothing to do with government.

I could be wrong maybe there are secret agents hiding in the round things at the top of the first picture like some kind of modern day ninjas waiting to kill anyone who does not dance correctly.

 

Then surely the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, and Finland must be outright police states right?

This is much too vague and they are not the largest governments around not even by a long shot and they do not need to keep the same level of military power as might be needed pre NATO, why don't you point to something and give some details.

Rule of thumb for humans is violence always has the opposite effect as was intended.

 

and what Ahovking and i Agreed is that the Laissez Faire economic model doesn't work and that we need government intervention in the economy since the real world is different than some economic theory

This is basically meaningless as America is running under the opposite of Laissez Faire economy and again i do not care what you and Ahovking agreed on as i am not you nor him.

 

The problem with central planning is the assumption that someone else knows how your life should be run and will use violence to run it.

 

and that is stupid. I agree with you on that

 

You being in favor of government intervention is contradictory.

 

Before there was so much government intervention people could use things like common law to sue businesses that caused them or there property damage and not have the court side with the polluter because they provided a larger income to the government.

 

A small item to think about Corporations are not free market creations but rather government creations they exist so that government can pile regulations on to everyone else and take a cut of the profit with corporate taxes.

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